Tom Cosm - Moving from the studio to live performance using Ableton Live

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Uploaded By: Tom Cosm . Category: Tutorial Videos . Added on: 16 July 2009.
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This video is a cut down version of my moving from the studio to live performance workshop which I have been doing around the place latley... There are a few videos out there of me actually giving this workshop, but I thought I would make one in the studio with some nice screen captures and audio.

It's my method of taking a tune you have made in the studio, and easily converting it into session view in Ableton ready to perform live. I stress that this is a safe and easy way, so you producers don't have to spend hours and hours learning a new technique.

Enjoy!

-Tom

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Fractaleyes
Fractaleyes
Never mind I totally missed a step while watching it..must have zoned out completely >
2 years ago
Fractaleyes
Fractaleyes
I am currently in this process, there is another step for me though, as I write in logic. So I'm bouncing out the stems in logic, then transferring them to live. It's not too much of a hassle, however when I drag from arrangement to session view it doesn't cut the track up in to 16 bar loops..it just puts the whole track in 1 session clip. Is there something I have to set up to get the 16 bar loops like it does in the video? Or do I have to split them all manually?
2 years ago
HipBonanza
HipBonanza
Just another quick thing i left out. create a audio effect rack mastering setup on the track your working on save this
into your devices folder and just drop that into the master when you cut and paste onto a new live set.
then use the same process outlined below.
3 years ago
HipBonanza
HipBonanza
@ Orifice There is another work around for this which actually provokes better working practice,
as biggtime has mentioned
get the mix sounding right first, i.e levels and pans, etc
then apply the cut, paste into a new live set
then sort out the dynamics of the set plus any additional mastering fx reverb delay etc.
Individualy render each of the six
or however many tracks you like to work with through the master into a folder then copy the tracks into the sequencer
window again and apply the bar cuts. a bit more of a faff around but it does force you to leave dynamics and master fx out untill last
which is what your kinda supposed to do, if you want to keep the send fx of your tracks intact you can route them into the track you
want them to be recorded with by selecting the send track in the Audio from box and making sure pre fx is selected, annoyingly
you can only do this with one track per return which sort of defeats half the point of send fx still it is usefull for reverbs and delays

I suppose you could set up a complex send return setup for this but it would use a HELL of alota cpu power
as you would have to have 6 active copys of your mastering rack set up on 6 return tracks, maybe if you
own a brand new quad core mac you might get away with this.

3 years ago
biggtime
biggtime
The way I work around this problem is to have ClyphX clips that recall settings on a "mastering" rack

everyones mastering techniques are different but I usually only need some compression after I've gotten my mix sounding the way I want it - as far as a LIVE version of the track goes.

So to go along with my chunks of clips I have ClyphX clips that tell my mastering rack what to do so that the tracks can have their own set of parameters to sound somewhat mastered
4 years ago
Orifice
Orifice
hi,
got to say this video is really good, congrats to Tom for this!

Ok there is a problem with this i have found which concerns my live set....

When Tom selects and 'cuts' the 6 recorded clips into a new project, doing it this way bypasses the master fx i.e. compression, limiting etc

So when you open the 6 recorded track in the new project, the track doesnt sound the same as most my tracks have their own unique sound with compression techniques and limiting.

Is there a way round this???

4 years ago
float23
float23
re below,

I've created an album to show you what I mean, It works for me, a lot less grey on the screen too........
4 years ago
float23
float23
I really liked this video, wish I'd found it a year ago!

I wanted to share something that I now do with all my tracks.

I am not sure if my poor vision is the reason for this - I find it hard to read stuff on the screen, especially when it is small and I have to do it quickly in dim light. I've changed the screen resolution (I have to anyway to use a computer) and I have adjusted live's settings so I can see more clearly but I have found something that helps me and I think it may help others too, at least as a starting point for their own template.

I've created a template with group tracks that are colour coded, I have drums - Red, this includes midi drum loops with a kit that I have built (I do adapt it for tracks studio wise but or live it is all just one midi drumkit), percussion - light red/pink and sampled drumloops dark pink/purple. Bass is orange and the group contains one sub bass operator and track o bass samples, Pads are yellow, all lead is green, high stuf (bells and high lead) is purple and efects like whooshes or sound effects are blue. Vox is grouped in a white track at the far right.

All my instruments and plug is eq etc are set ready so I just call up the template and start playing, there is little distinction now between jamming and creating a track, often I just edit a good jam a little and it is done.

It's a great way to get working live, I quickly look at the scree and if I want to kill the bass I know, almost instinctively that is the orange group track. If I want to do something clever with the drums I open the red group track and I can tell what is percussion and what is midi drums. I find limiting myself to this framework I get on with creating music. I used to spend hours finding the correct kick for a track and hours eqing it, now it is there and it is done. I still find increadible flexibility.

At a recent gig I used a grey - piano track too, I may keep it. i was playing a mix of ambient and dark dubstep....the darker side of my music less like the floaty dubtronica I usually use. I was working with a spoken word artist and we could jam and improvise easily and I was just using the laptop. I am awaiting the launchpad to go along with my old midi keyboard. It is gonna be fun!

Cheers Tom and everyone here, great community, love and respect to you all!

Steve - float23

p.s. I will try and take a screenshot and upload it here if I can to show my template
4 years ago
biggtime
biggtime
I've been using this technique ever since I saw the first vid with Pitch Black and I've come up with my own system for setting up my tracks, basically I wanted to start with a completely empty set and drag in chunks of clips and make a set list before I play, or even as I go (if the system doesn't hiccup every time I drag clips into the set)

So when I've got my 5 stems and however many scenes long "chunk" I drag this to the browser along with a folder that holds the 5 wav files and analysis files. Now I can drag this chunk into my performance set pretty much on the fly.. allows me to have a large amount of songs ready to perform but I don't have to load up a ridiculous live set. - all your follow actions and clip properties are ready to go.

The biggest hurdles were scene naming and reverb/delay tails + anything that carries over to the next bar.

When you drag and drop a chunk of clips the scene names don't get carried over, so I have to use clyphx to get my songs to launch in the right tempo - it's a pretty big deal breaker because the tempo change isn't as reliable with clyphx.

Just wondering if you or anyone else has run into these problems,
I also may make a video that sort of picks up where you left off and explains how I prepare my sets.

sorry for the rant!
4 years ago
Dj_subivk
Dj_subivk
Very Informative tom,I was very lazy to do that,Now i got the trick how to bring it in to session view.....Now i can mess with my own production's,Thanks a million tom.....
5 years ago
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